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Well, well, well. Pat Mesiti, Al Meyer, Brian Houston and Phil Baker all speaking in a 6 star resort on prosperity …
Nothing seems to change.
These guys live in each others pockets. No wonder when I had coffee with Phil Baker to discuss the implications of the BRWs Gods Millionairres article all I got was unacceptable spin and rhetoric – ‘Pat Mesiti is a good guy’, ‘Brian Houston is a good guy – just tends to be a bit rash at times’, I believe in Tithing – its like the old lady in the Old Testament with the flour in the barrel story’ …
These people live first class lifestyles on a corrupted gospel and out of each others pockets.
The gravy train is too good for any of them to do the right thing and stand up for Truth. Atleast Marjoe Gortner had the courage to expose the Pentecostal Event Marketing Business Model for what it really is…
And Phil Baker just completed his annual Hillsong London / Paris speaking circuit just in time to pay his childrens school fees –
…whilst there reamains the same lack of financial transprency and accountability in the Businesses that benefit not only from gullible and scripturally naieve tithe paying Christians – but also from ex-Partners and the tax paying public who subsidise these rorts.
By the way “La Dolce Vita” in Italian means “The Sweet Life” …
how does that align with the Concept of Christian discipleship.
Prosperity poo.
Its interesting to see these guys gathering to speak at that resort when some of the world’s leading companies are now scaling back their corporate activities – one major bank cancelled its Las Vegas event, and replaced it with a less flashy one in San Francisco for example. First and business class travel is declining and causing a major change in planning for airline companies. I wonder what the turnout to their seminar will be like.
Anyway, from the youtube clip, I can’t see why people would bother going – I used to hear that kind of thing for free most weeks at CCC from Phil Pringle. There’s no need to pay for it. Its all motivational thinking.
I think the coming recession, and possibly global depression, will put prosperity doctrine to the test, and may well see many families choosing to leave that style of church either through disillusionment or as they begin to feel too pressured to give, give, give while their finances experience an increasing strain.
I love God but hate hill$ong. Pat Mesiti is a horrid little wop and makes me feel ill.
I typed in “hillsong sux” at you tube and this comes up.
I think it sums it up.
I remember, being new to the whole Riverview Church thing, ie. a new member. A late night news bulletin ran the Pat Mesiti “moral failure” story – and I literally fely physically ill.
It was not the fact that he was caught for moral failure that sickened me, it was the footage from helicopters that were buzzing around his Castle Hills mansion that had “Pat Mesiti Ministries” signage across it.
I felt ripped off, as a stident I had contributed to Pat’s collection (when I could least afford it) at a Youth Alive event.
I trusted him as a naieve uni student – but this Mighty Man of God was taking advantage of us.
There’s a lot of preachers at Hillsong who run motivational speaking businesses on the side. I don’t know why people pay to see them. They may be big in their own little circle but anywhere else they’re no names. According to Pat’s website – “Pat Mesiti is one of the world’s most celebrated speakers.” What a joke
Does anyone know how many pastors/preachers associated with Frank Houston’s CLC in Darlinghurst were sexual predators or involved in so-called “moral failures”? Is there a list somewhere of names and allegations? Thanks.
BTW, Henry, you said: “Pat Mesiti is a horrid little wop”
WTF? A horrid little wop? Is it necessary to denigrate the man’s ethnicity, I mean, isn’t there enough to criticise the guy over? Haven’t people had enough of that bigoted shit?
Remove the photos.
I do not give permission for you to use them on this site.
pfft who cares, this is fair use
Testimony from Mesiti’s Millionaire Mindset Bootcamp. Learn how to make a fortune!
FYI Boris, Fair Use has not been adopted yet by Australian copyright law.
Enlighten yourself here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
rotationmethod said” BTW, Henry, you said: “Pat Mesiti is a horrid little wop” ”
Yep. And he makes me feel ill too.
WordPress isn’t an Australian website
Hi Nicholas –
how much did the Pat Mesiti conference cost each you and your mother?
http://nicholasorr.com/blog/2008/10/27/la-dolce-vita-by-pat-mesiti/
Insulting Italians isn’t witty or clever Henry, it’s just thick.
Nicholas Orr went to La Docle Vita with his mum…and he thinks she’s pretty…Nick is everything ok?
Whether wordpress is Australian or not is irrelevant. The content was uploaded from Australia and is governed by Australian laws. Nicholas Orr has every right to ask they be removed from any site he hasn’t authorised. He’s the copyright owner.
Yes, I agree Nicholas Orr has every right to ask to remove them. In any case, the Youtube video is still available.
Also, racist comments are just as off as ‘get rich thinking’ in a Christian church.
Actually, racism is more damaging than prosperity doctrine; its more divisive and affects far more people.
Did Nicholas mark his pictures as copyright?
It cost a fair bit and if you were there you’d know what you’re talking about. This event wasn’t about Brian Houston or Hillsong or Christianity or anything like that. The event was about getting to where you want to go / what you’re up to. It was really great.
I don’t care if Pat was involved in shady activities a while ago. From what I read its not even bad really… What Pat was about with the event goes beyond him and some religion. The speakers of which there were 9 (I think that’s accurate) varied in content and messages. I didn’t agree with everything, I wasn’t expected too, being open and receptive to what each speaker had to say was all that was asked.
I don’t get why they “sprung” working with Pat? So f’n what, get over yourself…
LIF, he doesn’t have to… he owns the images and has the right to request they be taken down. The fact that Lance credited Mr Orr as the photographer was a good gesture and acknowledged ownership but the owner has spoken.
Boris, what if someone snapped some pictures of your wife in a swimsuit? Would you still cry “fair use” if they were posted on the web on a site that was not flattering to her? Would you brush it off with a “pfft, who cares”?
My understanding is the same as Alias’ one. NO has the copyright automatically without having to mark it up. But other than that, its courteous to remove them on request.
Also, I think attacking NO is petty and unnecessary; he’s not one of these megaspeakers; just an attendee with a blog, with no intention of seeing his photos used to criticise those he supports. Fair enough. I’d be pretty annoyed if someone used me in some fashion to support prosperity doctrine or demands for tithes.
It’s interesting hearing NO’s comments re the seminar – saying it wasn’t about Christianity. Why then have these pastors as the big speakers? Because of their success at planting churches or being evangelists? If its a seminar on church planting or marketing then maybe. If its business success,there are plently of successful business men and investors who would be well qualified in their stead.
These guys have planted churches which is not the same thing as a commercial business (in theory) or investment at all and relies upon different things than a business or investment for its success.
A business can’t tell people that the Bible says you have to buy their product, or that they are anointed by God to be the authority on the service they offer.
If you want positive thinking there are plenty of other places to find it in the secular world – Anthony Robbins; Philippa Bond; whoever – but these pastors give it out for ‘free’ at church, so what is the point in attending – except for pleasure or a faith boost (in which case again it becomes a ‘Christian’ event).
The wierd thing to me seems to be the Christian endorsement given to these things by having the megapastors speak, and even though it may claim to be secular, how can it be really with only religious speakers there.
Hi Nicholas,
Re: “It cost a fair bit” … mate, you wasted your hard earned dosh. You could attend any of these “Churches” for free and heard the same thing any week end. That is if you avoid being brainwashed in having to hand over 10% of your income as ‘tithe’.
Re: “…and if you were there you’d know what you’re talking about” … I spent four years in one of these churches, I have studied the modus opeandi for four more years … believe me, as a professional Business Analyst – I know how the Business model works and how these guys make their money > http://www.rickross.com/reference/hillsong/hillsong10.html
Re: “This event wasn’t about Brian Houston or Hillsong or Christianity or anything like that. The event was about getting to where you want to go / what you’re up to. It was really great”
Of course it was not about Hillsong of Christianity … it’s about ‘Pastors making money from gullible patrons itchy ears’. Nicholas, these guys are a networked money making machine who broker (false) hope and flattery. This is not about Christianity. Hillsong and its network is not about Chrsitainity – it is all about money.
Hillosng is a dubious cult. Pat was caught out before they could cover it all up – and he is back ‘working’his craft with old mates in a sercret location.
Do yourself a favour. Test what you hear. Do your research. You have been paying a hefty price tag to listen to the rantings of cult leaders.
http://www.rickross.com/groups/hillsong.html
You and your mother should ask for your ‘lot of money’back. Or else learn from your foolishness – and not part with your hard owned $moolah so easily.
I don’t think Nicholas is a believer or a church-goer LF.
If the event is not a church event then I don’t really have a problem with the pastors being there. They’re not asking for donations. It’s a ticketed event and the people going to it know what they’re going for. It’s just a business motivational type thing. Major corporations do it all the time, and in the context of the venue/event in question I don’t see it as a problem. Would you rather Pat was in a pulpit somewhere getting money from ‘love offerings’?
I wouldn’t have a problem with those particular pastors speaking there either, if not for the fact that they ARE PASTORS! If they were simply motivational speakers, that’d be fine.
The problem is that they also claim to be church leaders. What authority do they have in business matters? They’re heads of not-for-profit charities aren’t they? Their income is reliant on donations from tithe-paying church-goers.
No, wait… that’s just how they start! Once they’ve gathered their cult following, then their true business agenda kicks in, and they produce all these self-help guides and ear-tickling pulp. And they set up an entity on the side and call it, say, “Leadership Ministries International” through which the revenue from their mass-market paperbacks can flow straight in to their pockets, and pay for their new, say, Mini-Clubman (company car?).
If these ‘pastors’ want to make a killing from motivational speaking, then let them… but first they should throw in their ‘spiritual leader’ disguise.
Better that Pat is doing this in a secular setting, I agree. But given that the major speakers are megapastors, men who are considered by many to have the last word on the best way to lead a Christian life, it implies that Jesus would endorse the teaching in the seminar. The pastors represent Christ. Yet Jesus said that the love of money is the root of all evil; and said in Matthew 6:24:
24″(A)No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other You cannot serve God and [a](B)wealth. ”
No doubt then the pastors would claim to be somehow serving God in this, and not encouraging people to pursue wealth over God. But why the big focus on money then?
“So f’n what, get over yourself”
I think the person who might need some assistance in getting over himself is the person who instead of nicely asking for his happy snaps from the posers conference to be taken down, actually went to the ridiculous extent of filing a DMCA notice with WordPress.
You obviously missed the ‘how to win friends and influence people’ portion of the Houston/Mesiti/Meyer/Baker snoozefest.
“What authority do they have in business matters? They’re heads of not-for-profit charities aren’t they? Their income is reliant on donations from tithe-paying church-goers”.
Don’t forget grants from Lotteries commissions and generous tax breaks.
These are not Business experts … and if they were single-minded Pastors then like St Paul who would resolve to know nothing else and preach Christ alone.
http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/preachChristalone.html
http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/preachChristalone.html
You’re a man after my own heart, Lionfish.
2 speakers there spoke on Health and Well Being. 1 on Attitude. 1 on Goals. These pastor people weren’t there to increase their “flock”. They spoke about general ideas, nothing specific like “you must join our church to be a good person” etc.
I herd of this event after attending another business event.
Asking nicely takes too long, DMCA has a rather immediate effect. Funny you mention “how to win friends and influence people” – I’ve listened to that.
LF you seem to be hung up on the 3 people involved here and neglecting the fact that there were 6-7 other people/speakers involved / the event was about getting to where you want to be. The pastors left their preacher speeches at the door and spoke about their topics as the topics. I went to catholic/presbyterian schools I’m familiar with the preacher types, the only thing I can fault them for, is being passionate. LF you can either believe me or not in what this event was about. There wasn’t a “secret location”, I knew it was at Versace on the Gold Coast. I also knew there would be various speakers and what they all had to say would be worth listening too.
The majority of the cost was the accommodation. Versace isn’t exactly Formula1…
The only information I’ve seen about this event in promotion was what I saw at the event I attended, they simply said there were going to be various speakers and Pat was organising it and it would be worthwhile. Not sure why there is this big (to groupsects/LF) secular/religious/”cult leaders going to brainwash you stigma” attached to this. Is it purely because these 3 people were mentioned as being speakers at the same event?
oh yeah send an email takes about 10mins, dmca thing…
I think I’d rather believe the guy that was actually there. But that’s just me.
Hi Nicholas,
It’s great that you are asking questions. I was once an advocate of what these guys were doing – until I looked under the bonnet and saw the how the (financial) engine that drove the bus worked.
Before, I answer your queries – may I ask at what other Business event it was that you heard of this Pat Mesiti’s Millionairre mindset event? Was it Amway or Phil Bakers Building Business Leaders?
LF, neither – Aspire (Perth Based Company, they’re called something else now).
I know that there is a whole money side to what Pat is upto. It’d be silly to be in it with no intention of making money. People with Money are able to assist those you need assistance. I’m about making dollars so I’ll have a lifestyle I want and be in a position to assist others.
Maybe Pat/Brian f’d up along the way, to me that doesn’t matter, it matters what they are doing/saying when I see them. At this event everything pointed to “getting to where you want to get”. This post here (above where the photos are gone) is all about “sprung, upto their old tricks at …” when this is not the case…
Hi Nicholas,
Is this the Aspire Group that you are talking about?
http://www.iaspire.com.au/home.html
“Learn to accelerate your business in the current economic climate first hand from renowned business leaders Justin Herald & Pat Mesiti”.
It still looks like a current Business to me.
Alias – you are hilarious. Taking photos of someone’s wife in a swimsuit is very different to using photos posted on someone’s blog for criticism and news purposes
Im not insulting Italians, just mesiti. Im not racist, I detest crooks regardless of race, colour or creed and likewise admire good people regardless of race, colour or creed. I couldnt care less if someone called me a wop.
Lucky you don’t care Henry. I’m sure there are many, many others who do.
hmmm…. I think, yes, I definitely hear it. WOOSH! Hear that Boris? That’s the sound of my point rushing right past you.
I cannot believe all the bagging going on here. Have any of you actually heard Pat speak? So he makes money from it. What he says is good stuff!!!!
He has helped me with my business and changed some things about me. made me realise where I could strive to be better.
His past is his past. let sleeping dogs lie, he did his pennance for what he did wrong. He is simply human.
Can any one of you that has bagged him stand up and say that you have NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG ?? I doubt it.
One last note, I am not religious at all did not even know he was involved with the church until today. I have heard him speak on a professional level and have read his book.
I have heard many motivational speakers in my professional career and he has been the only one that has actually touched the nerve and put me into action.
The Retreat at the Versace Hotel… people who attend also make a heap of $$$$ too with the business contacts.
This is not a religious event it is a Business event dealing with Real Estate.
“This is not a religious event it is a Business event dealing with Real Estate”.
So why are the promoted keynote speakers (Phil Baker, Allan Meyer, Brian Houston et al) all megachurch religious leaders…?
I agree with Deborah here. It was not a church event and was in no way pitched to that crowd or marketed as such. Could easily be considered a ‘tent making’ ministry, as the apostle Paul had his job on the side.
Of course it wasn’t a church event. But isn’t that the point?
Most of the speakers there got to where they are because they are motivational speakers and business men. What’s of grave concern is that those same speakers also happen to be pastors of big churches.
So you have to ask yourself: are they pastors or are they businessmen? Is their motive the furthering of God’s kingdom, or their own bank balance?
A few years ago I was browsing the shelves of the Castle Hill Library and happened upon Mesiti’s “Millionaire Mindset” book. I flicked through it, and realised that the content was identical to the sermons and books he had produced whilst a minister – except for one thing: he didn’t make reference to Jesus or the Bible anymore.
Jesus had merely been a convenient vehicle for Pat’s self-help/prosperity message.
What this episode, and now this post, has bought home to me, is that these so-called “pastors” are in fact little more than money-hungry egocentrics. What they preach on Sunday is the same message they present at these business seminars, except they slip in the name “Jesus”. In this way, they’ve attracted a large church following with prosperity preaching, and built a reputation.
They then use this reputation to get speaking gigs (where the real money is!) and leave their “Jesus” lines at the pulpit.
This is an interesting conundrum. The organiser distances himself and the event from Christianity (quite rightly so) but has used mega church pastors as key note speakers ….
Lance, I may have called their bluff. They woulld not have wanted the media attention. Think about it it, in court/media, Mesiti and his cohorts would have to declare their hand.
I have heard Baker state that by them speaking at these types of events (and why he does the Leadership Breakfasts) events it is a conduit into (the) Church. He can no longer argue this point based on the points made by Cassar. These venets are purely secular Business ventures.
I would also be interesting to see where the cheques of key note spaekers were banked ie. Into Çhristian charities such as LMI I presume.
Cassar has no case against what was posted on this blog.
Re Deborah’s comment: “Could easily be considered a ‘tent making’ ministry, as the apostle Paul had his job on the side”.
I think Paul laboured with his hands to create something of value. And when he preached, he preached of “Christ and Christ alone”.
These guys precah on serving money – and then (a sort of ) Christianity.
Oh look, the threat was laughable.
The video isn’t hosted on this site. All I do is post some code which displays a snapshot of the youtube page where the video is stored.
It’s no more a copyright violation than when you drag your mouse over a hyperlink and it displays a snapshot of the webpage hosting the content.
I also never anywhere suggested Mesiti was a ’sect’. If the email is referring to the name of the blog, well, that’s like saying that someone who appears in the Sydney Morning Herald might be regarded as a ‘Herald’.
As for the suggestion that I said that Mesiti’s teachings were ‘promoting Christianity’(I never did) …..ummmm…..no….I’ve always argued the exact opposite…and am MORE THAN happy to declare that Mesiti and Christianity have absolutely no link whatsoever.
And in case anyone missed it, Mesiti and the Christian faith have absolutely no connection whatsoever.
(Sorry Christian Shitty Church folk, too late to get your money back now)
Lance, Mesiti is back at Hillsong these days, not CCC.
Since when?
Complaints about free use in Youtube videos aren’t a new thing. Mercy Ministries Inc made copyright claims on Youtube videos that showed interviews with past residents and the Today Tonight report. They had Youtube take the videos down even though it can be extremely well argued that the main content belonged to others (the sydney morning herald, and channel 7 in this case) and that any images or audio used was used under free use. It’s a shame to see copyright laws being exploited. http://www.deconverts.com/2008/11/17/hillsong-mercy-ministries-international-petulantly-silences-abused-women/
linking you to prosperity. let greed be the motivator of your success:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuRZnLmsH00&feature=related
I’ve seen Mesiti at CCC too. What gives?
nicholasorr said:
“It cost a fair bit and if you were there you’d know what you’re talking about. This event wasn’t about Brian Houston or Hillsong or Christianity or anything like that. The event was about getting to where you want to go / what you’re up to. It was really great.”
These speakers know all about ‘how to get where they want to go’.
They’ve been seen as being successful and influential in their dealings with finances from outside the church. Therefore they look qualified to teach about leadership, influence and money.
Unfortunately, people don’t know ‘what they’re up to’. They got to where they are now by making their profits from unprofitable organizations using sacred texts to ‘get what they want’ from the gullible.
This has been their history which they seemed to show no sign of turning. Their eyes are fixed on furthering where they want to go since they’ve bring sprung in a church environment. They can’t really return their so they’ve started outside now.
So if they’re only looking at getting where they want to go, as their past supports this notion today, why should they be just as trusted in the secular? I would say this is ….[ed- comment edited for legal reasons]… a soothsaying event where they get what they want out of you – money.
Lance, as I understand it, the Mesiti’s (v2.0) have moved back to the Hills District and are attending Hillsong once again. It’s an almost 100km round trip from there to CCCOF. Pat is still a ‘friend’ of CCC but not regularly in attendance there.
What I want to know is, how can they file a lawsuit against you for displaying the video when they made it freely available on Youtube? Kind of strange. Just a bit of huff and puff if you ask me.
It demonstrates that they are concerned about what is written on this site.
Sounds like an incentive to keep running the blog!
No one is going to sue anyone over that video link. Dial down the rhetoric people!
I agree a “pastor/minister” should have nothing to do with money-making ventures or politics for that matter, church and state should be separate for a reason. Yes Im a staunch Christian but nowhere does it say in the Bible that being rich means you are successful in the NT. They shall receive their reward. Store up treasures in Heaven. I mean it’s just sad really that people can be so deluded, blinded. Aren’t they worried about getting into Heaven or fear God. Just dunno
Hi,
Isn’t it ironic how there are people who are commenting on this forum, supposed to be men or women of God, yet never let things of the past rest.
Why can’t people move forward in life and concentrate on the future, rather than bring up the past and put rubbish on people when they’ve already “done their time” (so to speak).
Have any of the contributors to this thread not ever done something wrong in their life, whereby people looked down on them, didn’t speak to them, put negative vibes out to the world at the time etc?
We ALL do wrongs… no one is perfect… sometimes things happen because they just do… yet it’s so easy to criticise and keep focusing on the negative aspect, instead of being a christian and saying “I need to move forward and spread good words like the Lord would”… agreed?
Pat might have done so wrong in the past… okay… fine… but haven’t the people making negative posts about him got anything better to do with their lives than just focusing on him?
I say, move on, get a life and start looking forward at the good things in life, rather than dwelling on the past and never showing anything positive.
This is just my view, everyone’s entitled to their views as well, but let’s just move forward!
David
Well, i think at least Pat is just being more real, he is doing conferences on making money only right? Not mixing it with theology. If he is plainly just being a finance advisor that’s ok. Honesty is the best policy i was told once. But also be gentle and compassionate……Jesus said that didn’t He? Be angry but do not sin….now where is FL/MT when you need him.
David – I’m sure most people here don’t mind what Pat has done in the past if he’s repentant of it. The problem is he continues to show that he’s learned nothing from his mistakes. He still corrupts others with his prosperity gospel. Everyone here knows that all people do wrong, that is not the point. Just because everyone has done wrong doesn’t mean we aren’t allowed to speak against false prophets and teachers like Pat Mesiti
Boris,
I’m sure you’re right in your comments that “people don’t mind if people are repentant” but I feel you’ve got an issue within yourself you need to address. By focusing yourself on this issue it’s not moving you forward in life, it’s not giving value to you and/or your family, it’s only focusing on things we all need to move away from. Pleasure is much better than pain, unless we’re into painful experiences.
We all need to strive to be accepting, forgiving, non-judgemental and intelligent people who can help others, rather than keep going over and over things that have already been said!
I’ve done wrong in my life, I’ve seen things I’ve done that I realise I should have done better, I’ve addressed things within myself because I realised at the time that I needed to in order to become the person I really want to become.
I’ve been to Pat’s events… I’ve seen what he does… I was even given the opportunity to speak at two of his events in the past seeing as I am a professional internet marketing coach.
Pat spoke at these venues, nothing about God, nothing about sexuality, no references to church and/or the Bible and he was a gentleman to everyone who attended. A true gentleman with integrity and professionalism.
Maybe you’re reflecting on the past and need to look at him now through a pair of new eyes. This is my opinion for which I am entitled, as I don’t judge a man by an incident and/or incidents for which he’s done this time, lost a lot in life by his mistakes, yet he’s now moved forward and serving the Lord in different capacities.
I feel this thread is now finished… it’s going around in circles now… it’s time for all of us to go forward and help others and be respectful of others for their past wrong-doings.
Hope you’re well Boris!
David Cavanagh
we are all accountable, that’s the issue……spesh people that preach
David, I don’t wonder that Pat invited you to speak at his gigs: your rhetoric sounds almost identical to his!
But for all your post-modern platitudes, you fail to recognise the importance of TRUTH. And the truth is that Pat never preached the gospel; he’s only ever preached self-help prosperity.
As I’ve noted earlier in this thread, he once preached it from the pulpit, disguised as sermons with the name Jesus banded about to make it seem legitimate to his audience.
Nowadays he’s dropped his Christian references; obviously with no more need of them in the secular market.
The man is a… [Ed - edited for those dreaded legal reasons]
What I would like to know is this: has Pat Mesiti become wealthy by practising what he preaches, or simply by preaching?
David – I would love to move on from topics like this but unfortunately these false teachers will always be with us so we have to expose them. It is Biblical to do so. Should we let anyone twist the Gospel like Pat has done and let it corrupt more churches? There are many cases in the Bible where people were confronted about preaching a message other than the Gospel.
You seem to think this is a major focus of my life but it is not. You are right it probably doesn’t help me personally much but I’m sure it will help others who are questioning the false gospel Pat and others like him preach. I know I am extremely thankful to people who spoke out against Brian Houston when I was at Hillsong because it helped open my eyes to the truth.
If Pat wants to do secular financial seminars then that’s his decision and I respect his right to do that. But what I will not accept is his corruption of the Gospel that he preaches in churches. I am not accusing Pat of anything in his past, I am talking about the present – his obsession with money and prosperity gospel.
I think Pat has more of a sense of humour about himself, he blogged here the other week, which was cheeky, but i did laugh. Shopping is the opiate of the masses someone said once.
Consumerism, materialism is a virus of the western world. I love Gandhi’s comment when asked what he thought about western civilisation, he said i think “I think it would be a good idea” lol