The Brian Houston Chrislam kerfuffle

 

Christian Today reports…

“The senior pastor of Hillsong Church has released a statement countering allegations that he believes Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

The criticism was levelled against Houston after a clip from one of his recent sermons, during which he seemed to suggest that Allah and God are one and the same, went viral on the web.

“How do you view God? In a desert there’s two types of birds: there’s vultures and there’s hummingbirds. One lives off dead carcasses; rotting meat. The other lives off the beautiful, sweet nectar in a particular flower on a particular desert plant. In the same desert, they both find what they’re looking for,” Houston says in the sermon.

“Do you know – take it all the way back into the Old Testament and the Muslim and you, we actually serve the same God. Allah to a Muslim; to us, Abba Father God. And of course through history, those views have changed greatly. But let’s make sure that we view God through the eyes of Jesus, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the beauty of a Saviour, the loving open inclusive arms of a loving God.”

Critics were quick to question his theology and accuse Houston of making false assertions.  The Hillsongchurchwatch.com, which actively campaigns against the Australian-based church, said the sermon was “offensive”, contrary to the Christian Gospel, and had caused “unjust damage” to both faiths.

In response to these allegations, however, Houston defended his comments and accused critics of quoting him out of context.

“Recently there have been false claims on social media that I believe Muslims and Christians worship the same God. This is incorrect. Those propagating these false statements have taken one sentence from an entire message out of context,” he said.

“The spirit of the message was exactly the opposite of what some critics are claiming. If you listened to the message in its entirety, my point was that; who a Muslim extremist believes God is, determines what they believe God does, and what they believe God loves.

“I was contrasting their harsh perspective of (their) god, with who I believe God is – (a loving God, the Father of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ) and therefore what I believe God does and what I believe God loves,” he continues.

“The one sentence that critics are drawing huge conclusions from was clearly a (clumsy) way of me explaining that though both Christians and Muslims believe they serve the God of Abraham, they are very different ‘entities’ or ‘deities’ in both nature and action.”

Houston finishes his letter by reaffirming his belief that Jesus is the only way to God, and that “anyone – irrespective of their religious upbringing, culture or background – can find grace, peace, freedom and eternal life through Christ”.

Supporters of Houston and Hillsong have taken to Twitter to offer words of encouragement.

One user, Mark Godfrey (@MarkGodfrey) tweeted: “Don’t judge a leaders words without hearing the proper context!”

Benny Perez (@bennyperez), lead pastor of The Church LV, tweeted: “Pastor Brian we stand with u.”

From http://www.christiantoday.com/article/brian.houston.hits.back.at.claims.that.he.believes.god.and.allah.are.the.same/36423.htm

 

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19 thoughts on “The Brian Houston Chrislam kerfuffle

  1. If you never allow people the opportunity to change you will always keep them down in the pit of your imagination, even though they’ve been lifted from your prejudice by God’s grace and correcting love.

    I suppose imprisoning those you ‘can’t stand’ in some subconscious compartment is a safety valve for those who never grow out of being threatened by alternative thinking, and like to dominate through censorship.

    Which adds weight to Bones’ argument, although it can’t be said to be the sole domain of the religious right. It happens wherever people are legalistic and bound by their own sense of sanctimonious entitlement.

    Brian is prime example of a shift in thinking which has met a brick wall of objection from the religious.

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  2. @ Greg the explorer – I’ve learned to not to argue with guys fighting like girls (who resort to bitchy nastiness, sorry but that’s how you sounded). I grew up with five brothers, (no sisters), so I’m certainly more aggresive than passive. Can’t stand guys who swan around the Internet using various pseudonyms (F…llift), like a spider waiting to pounce on anything that lands on his web, a self-appointed judge of those trying to be more discerning and “test all things”. By the way, I pointed out Brian’s retraction days ago on another blog. I believe he simply made a (very unfortunate slip) of the tongue, and it proves he’s as accountable as any other celebrity pastor. I’m sure he’s going to be very careful in the future. However I do believe his associations (T.D.Jakes) put him in an even more problematic position and that bothers me more than the “slip of he tongue”…..

    By the way, this is a repost comment because apparently “he who can’t be named” still blocks comments and I unfortunately used the whole name of “he who can’t be named” 🙂

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  3. @ Greg the explorer – I’ve learned to not to argue with guys fighting like girls (who resort to bitchy nastiness, sorry but that’s how you sounded). I grew up with five brothers, (no sisters), so I’m certainly more aggresive than passive. Can’t stand guys who swan around the Internet using various pseudonyms (Facelift), like a spider waiting to pounce on anything that lands on his web, a self-appointed judge of those trying to be more discerning and “test all things”. By the way, I pointed out Brian’s retraction days ago on another blog. I believe he simply made a (very unfortunate slip) of the tongue, and it proves he’s as accountable as any other celebrity pastor. I’m sure he’s going to be very careful in the future. However I do believe his associations (T.D.Jakes) put him in an even more problematic position and that bothers me more than the “slip of he tongue”…..

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  4. @ Greg the explorer – what a pity we couldn’t attend your dear little son’s dedication you so kindly invited us too, things would be so different!

    Never mind, perhaps we’ll meet on that great and glorious day 🙂 🙂

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  5. Margot – you’re a whiny little school girl aren’t you – (keep in mind whiny little school girl voice) Öh sir – F******t is using a different name – can you ban him again sir – please, he’s picking on me and making me doubt my own closely held superstitions” Neo Calvinist – go burn a heretic…don;t hurt yourself playing with the matches now will you.

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  6. Refusing to defend the pulpit as we should defend the honour of Christ

    And where exactly do you get an idea like this one – that Jesus gives a hoot about the pulpit being defended?

    Good grief you neo calvinistas piss me off

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  7. To his credit Chris Rosebrough does accept Brian’s qualification, but he has a begrudging, squirmy, aw-shucks-I-gotta-do-it way of saying it, doesn’t he? I don’t know how anyone can listen to his smarmy interjections for more than a few quips.

    And he just couldn’t accept Brian’s apology and explanation without calling him a heretic, falsely representing the context of the rest of the message, and throwing in a reference to speaking at T D Jake’s meetings, whom he continues to accuse of being a modalist, as if that has anything to do with anything.

    Not quite as gracious an acceptance of what Brian says as Bones and GS.

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  8. Agree in essence with Bones and GS, and good on them for their fair-mindedness.

    BH has said enough to make it clear he is not promoting whatever ‘Chrislam’ purports to be. Rick Warren’s been trying to shake that snake off for some time now, too, but the vipers won’t let go, ‘cos that’s what they do. They can’t stand anyone actually reaching out to Muslims. Love is anathema to the religious.

    But what the heck has Jakes and the Trinity got to do with this? MM needs to nip down to the corner shop for some M&Ms to calm the angst.

    Or was it a distraction form the fact that, as Bones points out, the religious bully boys are back in town, hopping up and down because someone crossed the line into what they consider ‘enemy’ territory?

    BH made himself clear and with a degree of humility which will stand him in good stead with the real faithful, and has told the global audience he is willing to reach out to Muslims, gays and anyone who needs Christ. Open up the doors. The world is coming home.

    This will actually work in Hillsong’s favour.

    By the way, Jackson, Isa is the name Muslims give to Jesus. Yes, it’s a different understanding, but I can tell you from conversations with them that most of non-militants are fascinated by what the New Testament actually says, so why shoot your witness in the foot by basing your ‘shocked’ prejudice on peripherals when the name of Jesus gives you a shoe-in to their world and a reason for preaching the real Jesus?

    They love what Jesus has to say. Try it out!

    Luvvaduck! Why’s this so hard for some people?

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  9. Ok, then why during the Dec 13 Christmas Spectacular did Brian Houston have a video playing of muslims talking about Jesus Isa!!!!! During the Christmas Carols???? I was there and was so shocked.

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  10. And that he retracted what was a correct statement yet again shows how the Christian Right Thinking Brigade tries to bully pastors and organisations.

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  11. I find myself in the odd position of defending Brian Houston.

    Using a vulture in the metaphor was pretty dumb and insulting, but he’s largely right about the central point he was trying to make.

    There is only one creator, however humans try to define the creator.

    In the same way there is not a ‘cricket’ MCG .. AND .. a ‘football’ MCG.

    There is only 1 MCG, variously known to followers as the Melbourne Cricket Ground, the MCG .. or ‘the ‘G’.

    The MCG may be considered to be the stadium and the car park/parklands surrounding it, or just the stadium itself.

    And I don’t think the owners of the MCG would be so petty as to disqualify someone from attending, based on their incorrect perception of the venue.

    Some readers from the US for example .. will be thinking .. ‘what’s an MCG’?

    (Google it .. you freaks).

    Brian was trying to build a bridge to Muslims.

    He did it poorly, but I give him points for trying.

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  12. Brian Houston’s spin would have you believe it was a simple gaffe, taken out of context. But if you actually listen to the clip in its entirety and know the arguments presented by the Insider Movement, Chrislam, C5, etc, then you will realize that his critics have him pegged correctly and that he is intentionally trying to blur the line between Islam and Christianity. His response against his critics is simply a PR ploy to stop the bleeding – not because repenting is the Christian response, but because its bad for business.

    Here is my breakdown of that clip, along with comments about Chrislam given prophetically:
    http://stuffaboutgod.com/hillsong-church-brian-houston-promotes-chrislam/

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  13. Yes, he’s made his disclaimer, blaming his critics rather than take real responsibility for his careless words. On Youtube since January, allowing it to go public without editing for correction etc. He knew he had made a mistake that day, he was questioned about his words during a lunch-break session, yet still allowed the audio/video go up?

    Want to get real about Brian Houston? Challenge him about his WOF theology. We should show even more concern for his ongoing fellowship/sharing a pulpit with T.D.Jakes. An unrepentant modalist despite his excuses at “The Elephant Room” with Mark Driscoll and James McDonald. Well described here, a former Oneness Pentecostal says of Jakes…..

    “There are two types of Oneness Pentecostals. There are the hardcore, doctrinally dogmatic types who care nothing for popularity or mega-church growth. These openly assert Oneness theology and declare the doctrine of the Trinity as heresy (from their viewpoint) and an aberration of the apostles’ doctrine. They are not out to make friends but win people over to what they see as the true gospel. They are genuine and sincere though totally wrong and if ever converted they would make great Trinitarians.

    The other type (like Jakes) have adopted the seeker-sensitive approach which really guides all that they do. They are out to be successful, sell books, buy TBN time slots, and gain a national following. They see success as the end-game which justifies any and all means. That model is above all things, including truth or doctrinal purity. They see their small Oneness church pastor colleagues and know that it is precisely Oneness doctrine that keeps their congregations from growing and decide to abandon theology altogether. Anything that divides people they avoid no matter how central a tenet of Christian doctrine it is. They become de facto prosperity preachers because weak Christians enjoy hearing man-centered sermons that speak to their itching ears.”

    So have your concerns about Brian Houston’s apparent slip of the tongue on Islam and Allah , but be even more concerned about Houston’s ongoing compromise with T.D.Jakes

    1: Welcoming as a “brother” someone who denies Christ as the Eternal Son

    2: Refusing to defend the pulpit as we should defend the honour of Christ

    It’s becoming a modern-day downgrade,,,,

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