Fat fatwa


The Oregonian reports…

“New Creation Church in Hillsboro recently found itself at the center of a controversy when guidelines posted on its website for people seeking to join the “worship team” were posted on Facebook.

Among the requirements for the group of churchgoers who help lead the congregation in songs during services at the non-denominational evangelical church? “No excessive weight.”

“Weight is something that many people have to deal with,” reads the instructions for would-be worship team members. “Make sure that you are taking care of your temple, exercising and eating properly.”

Ponder Anew, a blog about faith, reports that the document was posted on Facebook by “Stuff Christian Culture Likes,” where it received enough negative feedback that it was removed from the church’s website. But a PDF of the worship team guidelines has been preserved online.  

Other points in the list that commenters find objectionable include:

  • “A submissive attitude is very important among the worship team members. Speaking against the leadership will not be tolerated.”
  • “Smoking, use of narcotics or alcohol, swearing, illicit sexual behavior and ongoing family problems are not acceptable in a music minister’s life and will not be tolerated.”
  • “Bodies must be clean and use of effective deodorant is essential to positive interpersonal relationships.”
  • “Remember that the way we look is of utmost importance. We are the first thing the congregation sees. People do judge by appearance. We never get a second chance to  make that first impression. Please be sure that your style and clothing bring honor and glory to God, isn’t excessive and doesn’t draw unnecessary attention to yourself.”

In the document, the church writes, “The purpose of the NCC Worship Team is to edify and build  up the body of Christ by creating an atmosphere for the anointing of God to flow.”

New Creation Church Pastor Rebecca Sundholm says that the guidelines had been on the website for a long time and she said she was “dumbfounded” by the controversy.

“What’s funny is this has nothing to do with anybody else but our church,” said Sundholm over the phone Thursday. “If anybody looked at our worship team, they would see they aren’t all skinny.”

“In fact,” she added, “the worship leader has weight issues.”

Sundholm said the worship leader wrote the guidelines years ago — the church is 28 years old —  and that, “those guidelines aren’t even enforced anymore.”

Still, she said, “We have standards just like anybody would have standards in a business.”

“Don’t come to church with wet hair; if you wear make-up, put it on,” she said. “It’s not negative.”

On Facebook, some people question how Christian it is to not allow overweight people, those who don’t use deodorant, speak up or have “ongoing family problems” to be part of the team.

“Nothing but Old Spice and Weight Watchers can wash away your sins,” wrote one commenter on “Stuff Christian Culture Likes.”

“It’s like Jesus said,” wrote another, “‘don’t be fat.'”

But Sundholm thinks that these commenters don’t really understand her church, since she assumes none of them have actually attended services.

“It’s ridiculous really,” she said. “It’s just so taken out of context.”

From http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/10/no_excessive_weight_says_hills.html


30 thoughts on “Fat fatwa

  1. Whether or not she has been proven to have committed a CRIMINAL act, it doesn’t matter.

    It’s already been proven that she has been extremely careless with classified information.
    She even let her maid print out classified information.
    She deleted 30,000 emails when under investigation.
    Many FBI and legal people were already aghast at how she was allowed to do that.

    I can’t believe you could think she is trustworthy. You say insane?? There is nothing more insane than saying publicly that you landed under sniper fire. Know anyone who does that?

    When’s the last time you told people you were being fired at, then when found out you got away with saying you “Misspoke”?


    Do you know how many people were given immunity in that investigation?
    Do you know how many times she said “I don’t recall”
    Do you know she was only interviewed once. That she had nine lawyers.

    Can I sell you a bridge Greg?

    This is the same family where she and her husband denied an affair over and over.
    Then it was all true. If Hillary were in Hillsong, you and Groupsects would have 100 posts and comments a day.

    Gregory one day, it would be good to see you have a little consistency. Or even just, think a little.

    You’re probably another fool who attacks Trump for not being a good role model for kids and a racist, than throws you knickers on stage for Jayz who sings about F this and Niggas.

    Hypocricy, thy name is Greg.


  2. Hope you guys are watching the news. The Tsunami has begun and Crooked HIllary is starting to run!

    One day Q, you will just shut up and wait for all the facts before posting your insane ramblings – hilarious that Hilary has, once again, been prove to not have committed a SINGLE criminal act – but you swallow trump like a hooker swallows – well, a glass of water when they’re thirsty.


  3. Sure is quiet around here! Rotfl

    Bones can’t bear to watch news anymore as he sees report after report about Huma, Weiner, the Clinton Foundation, Podesta, CNN giving debate questions. Hillary and her band of criminals are being proven to be completely unfit to get within a hundred miles of the White House.

    It’s totally pathetic .

    Nevertheless Michelle and Hillary are trying to bring up 11 year old audio. What desperation!

    But it’s over. The FBI will finally bust this crime operation apart .

    Boneless has retreated to his Ian Roberts mags.

    Wazza? Seen all the Wikileaks? Rotfl
    Hillary, Podesta, CNN, – old Bernie never had a chance.

    You guys have been had for fools.
    Trump will win.

    You are the stupid media have been telling me for over a year that Trump can’t win!

    I was right.

    All the polls are turning.

    only an idiot would vote for Hillary.

    Read up on the latest Piers Morgan and Farrakhan comments on Hillary.

    People are deserting her in droves.

    Oh, Pharell Williams the singer is supporting her. He said she’s dishonest! But “we all are”. And … she’s a woman so women should all vote for her.

    There you go. What a ridiculous way of thinking.

    I haven’t read anything more ludicrous since …. well since Bonehead’s last ff&¥ laden comment.


  4. Nonsense. haha And Boneless the Bonehead as usual can’t refute any of it.

    Hope you guys are watching the news. The Tsunami has begun and Crooked HIllary is starting to run!

    Absolutely corrupt!. Hillary, Huma, Weiner, Podesta – getting questions before the debate.

    This is hilarious.

    11 year old audio…….Most Americans understand that what has been going on with Hillary and the Clinton Foundation etc is inexcusable.

    For once Obama has shown some integrity and defended Comey.

    Guys, it’s over. Liberal poltiics is like liberal theology. Just morally, intellectually bankrupt.

    Bones, TD JAKES should lose weight. He’s obese. If you like I’ll get him to join you on the field when I kick your ass on November 8.


  5. ISLAMIC State militants have taken 550 families from villages around Mosul and are holding them close to jihadist locations in the Iraqi city, probably as human shields, the UN human rights office says.

    “We are gravely worried by reports that ISIL is using civilians in and around Mosul as human shields as the Iraqi forces advance, keeping civilians close to their offices or places where fighters are located, which may result in civilian casualties,” UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Zeid Ra’ad al Hussein said in a statement overnight.”

    All this after EIGHT years of Obama.
    Nobel Peace Prize winner who uses drones, threatens cyber attacks and lies about servers not to mention lying about a funny video being responsible for an attack on an embassy to cover the fact that Islamic terrorism was alive and well.
    EIGHT YEARS!! With Hillary helping him.

    And we’ll have more because insane buffoons like Greg are being led by the nose by a biased media to be fixated on anything to do with sex.

    Slaughter thousands of Innocent adults and babies in the womb and that’s okay because Greg the Exploring Buffoon can’t stop thinking about old comments.

    Who cares if Hillary lies about being under sniper fire when she wasn’t (who the hell does that????).
    ,lies under oath and is extremely careless with classified information. if American voters are buffoons on the level of Greg ( “killing a baby a week before its born is maybe okay?) the Ecplorer, then yes, the criminal Hillary who is more than a Hawk than Trump could be elected.

    And more babies will die .
    But Margaret Sanger would have been happy with that. You know – Hillary’s hero who wanted negroes exterminated.
    There’s no racist like the people in favor of continuing the slaughter of black babies.

    Look it up if you don’t get it.
    Greg the Buffoon, you need to look beyond the simple headlines .


  6. If trump loses, it will be because women are idiots.
    Yes, too many women are idiots and have no sense. In QLD I see Tostee was acquired. That horrible man boasts about sleeping with 150 women. So 150 women were so undiscernibv that they slept with a total loser.

    In the same way, women are easily fooled by the media and will vote for Hillary.
    Oh, women and girlieman types like the liberals here.

    Okay now that I’ve offended everyone, I shall retire for the night. Trump has gotten better each debate. Hillary had 30 years of this. Trump mastered it and schooled her in just three goes.


    The only thing that can beat him is a rigged election – so Wazza and co, no going over and voting illegally like lots of illegal immigrants do!


  7. No I have no prohibition on leaders in business or politics. Churchill was fat and he was good. Like what he said about Muslims too.
    Great man.

    Trump is nowhere near as fat as Rick Warren.


  8. Rick Warren is too fat. At least one of his assistant pastors was extremely fat. I wanted to kick him.

    At least, he’s finally realized it and some time back put the whole church on a program to lose weight.


  9. “Ongoing family problems” WTF? Who can judge this, and why should it necessarily be the fault of one person for the problems of others in their family?

    As for being overweight or obese, this is not necessarily due to some ‘sin’. No way could or should anyone judge another for their body mass index, especially if the judge is a lean person. Everyone has a different body chemistry and there can be many medical reasons for why someone is not in the prescribed normal range.

    There are plenty of African-American gospel singers who would be excluded in this way and we would all be worse off for the loss of their gifts of musicality and spirituality.

    And the worse thing is we’re usually presented with some blond skinny woman with an addiction to diet pills, slim-fast and shopping who knows almost nothing about life except how to social-climb


  10. Mellie,
    I prefer coffee, green tea, water and water with BCAAs. (Branched Chain Amino Acids)
    If you still don’t know, look it up on wiki and get off your lazy fat butt and exercise.

    Judging by your posts the fat cells are destroying your brain cells.

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  11. Greg,
    I don’t have a problem with gays in leadership.
    A person who struggles with the strange but very real problem of being sexually attracted to people of their own sex deserves respect and support.

    I’m attracted to beautiful women with hot bodies coming onto me.

    I think I can be a leader.

    Fat people? They obviously are not stopping their sinning on a daily basis.


  12. Tobacco is bad.
    Weed only good for pain relief.
    Stay away from cocaine.

    Get fit, not fat.
    Being obese is as bad as smoking.
    Australians are seriously overweight.
    Australians need to be more concerned about their own fat bellies than Trumps back of the bus joking.


  13. Is it OK to mix tobacco with marijuana? To cut cocaine with amphetamines?

    Would Jesus smoke rollies?

    I think the boundary is needles. Only junkies inject their drugs.


  14. Sounds fair to me. Fat people should be welcomed, but I wouldn’t have them in any leadership role.

    Alcohol is okay though.


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