Why no updates?


Lance (Group Sects) writes…

I’m sure regulars on this site would have noticed the lack of story updates recently.

There are a number of reasons for this including…

  • I’ve lost interest in churches which operate in their own little world
  • Bringing about change in churches is futile as pastors and other church leaders are generally incompetent and amoral.
  • There are now many other websites covering the same subject material.
  • I no longer hold to the Evangelical position that the writings of the bible are ‘God-breathed’ and without error (particularly after studying the influence of Greek Pagan philosophy on Paul’s thinking)
  • I have been restricted in what I can say about churches on this site by a workplace social media policy which forbids criticism of any person or entity (which presumably means no criticism of Pol Pot, Osama Bin Laden, ISIS etc.)
  • I have found it harder to process my thoughts and write long-form arguments since a gang bashing in 2012.

I had planned to continue with this site until the end of the Kong Hee/City Harvest Church fraud case saga, but there’s still no end in sight to that. Even Singapore can’t enforce the law on churches.

The complete halt in updates has mainly been caused by my recent workplace redundancy.

I now plan to take a break and work out the next step.

One of those steps may involve an online presence, but it’s unlikely to be this site.

I did 2 years of personal research on the formation of society’s attitudes on homosexuality through history, and now I get the chance to write a long-promised theological piece on it all. Frankly, some of it is world-first stuff, and it’s what excites me the most at the moment. I have it all in my head, but have struggled to get it into words which would make clear sense to others.

I’m very aware of the community that’s formed around this site. so I’m not planning to close the comments.

I may decide to resume story updates, but everything in my life right now is up in the air.

For now, I leave you with my favourite video from over the years of hosting this site.



25 thoughts on “Why no updates?

  1. Is Trump mentally ill?

    Or just too flakey to be POTUS?
    No, he’s doing well. If the insane left-wing media weren’t spending all day everyday attacking him, you wouldn’t even be thinking about it.

    Who has won when the lunatics are running the asylum?
    The lunatics were running it but they’ve been voted out. So relax.

    No, on second thoughts, they are still running complete holes like Chicago where they haven’t been able to solve anything even after being in charge for decades.

    But wait. If Trump is completely handcuffed by undemocratic idiotic liberal opposition and treason – he’ll make America a lot better.

    Just as long as the insane sulking cry baby left can shut up and get back to work.


  2. explorer pants
    “Please post a link to your blog or website, Q. Also expecting no censorship on your part either.”

    If it start, I’d only censor antiAsemitic rants and foul language.

    “If you have the guts.”
    Was this said in John Wayne style?
    You know – manly and tough?

    Explorer the tough guy….
    No wait a minute -it couldn’t be.

    The men who post here think John Wayne was a racist, sexist, beastly politically incorrect representation of all that was wrong with America.

    They’d never watch a John Wayne movie.
    Greg, Explorer and co would rather sit on a couch watch old Hillary speeches eating quiche and wearing their pussy hats before working on anti-Trump memes.

    Since I left the silence here has been deafening.
    It’s like telling liberals to only speak if they have something positive and intelligent to say

    Yes the absolute hypocrisy of the insane left-wing has become laughingly obvious.

    Did you guys see the This is Library video?
    That’s classic left….

    Wasting time yelling about Trump being racist and xenophobic, then when some guy tells them to be quiet they yell “Go back to China” lol

    Almost as pathetic as the constant “racist, racist, xenophobic, love Trumps Hate” crowd who then attack Melania for her accent.

    You guys lost. And though the media is attacking everyday trying to circumvent democracy and get rid of Trump, the public is getting sick of it and probably give Trump another four years.

    By the way, can you guys fess up? It’s now well known that Hillary for years paid people to have multiple social media accounts and paste pro-Hillary stuff and criticize her opponents through blogs and blog comments etc.

    Were you guys on the payroll? Lol

    Or did you just post these dumb comments in the hope of getting a free pussy hat or free tickets to darker shades of grey?

    “If you have the guts” rotfl

    I’ll tell you what guts is – Trump doing a press conference and taking on all comers for over an hour. And winning.,

    As opposed to Hillary who is still crying somewhere and Obama who got only soft questions from an adoring left-wing press who called him a rock star.

    Explorer, if you and your girlie men liberal friends want to learn about guts, just watch Trump.


  3. “Would Q like to take old Melly on a date? Offer is open to all, just join the queue.”

    Well the fat men here are probably into fat women. Not me.


  4. @greg
    “Notice nobody’s rushing to ask you for a link to your pathetic blog Q?”


    Said by Greg who took over that other blog and wrote some articles read by Greg and….
    And then went ballistic at Steve over numbers…
    Not your finest hour.

    And don’t start sulking and getting self-righteous – you started with the “pathetic blog” comment.

    Liberals – they dish it out but can’t take it.


  5. Speaking of last posts. I’m going offline.

    If this place is still here when I get back, I will be posting under my real name.
    So if there are ever posts from Q or any derivation it won’t be me.

    Hopefully one day there’ll be a blog somewhere that isn’t hyper-Calvinist, or completely anti-Christian or completely anti-Houston family or anti-Trump.

    In case anyone wonders , and probably nobody does.
    I don’t believe in tithing, eternal suffering in hell, that the rapture/anti-Christ is coming soon, or that even 20% of the laughing, crying, falling over is the Holy Spirit or any of the diamonds, oil , gold dust, tooth fillings etc are real.
    I don’t believe Israel has a biblical/spiritual right to the land, Or that their return is a biblical sign.
    But am all for them being there, and think giving billions to Palestinians and letting more Muslims into western countries is insane.

    I think Christianity is the only hope for the world.
    And that most of the serious Catholics , and evangelicals are extremely nice good people who deserve the right to express their beliefs without vilification.

    I think Trump will be a great President. But that the Obama family was the coolest.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if there were devastating earthquakes, nuclear strikes and tsunamis that seem like the end of the world but also wouldn’t surprise me if I’m still alive at 100.

    I’m sure nobody cares, but like I said this blog may not be around when I come back, and from now on my online activity will be using my real name and will probably be on my own incredibly opinionated blog.

    Stay alive.



  6. Yeah well, we can’t all be such deep and critical thinkers as you, Q

    I was 17 when I got involved in a Christian group and church. Critical thinking and alternative religious points of view were not exactly encouraged, they were ‘of the world’ or ‘of the devil’. Pentecostalism was presented as the authentic version of Christianity that the Apostles practiced. I was discouraged from taking a theology class at uni because it would ‘destroy my faith’.

    They used similar thought-stopping techniques as the ones you have practiced on me, eg. when I raised a concern or dissenting opinion, they would ask ‘Are you really a Christian?’

    But I’m glad to hear of your new-found interest in critical thinking and comparative theology. Maybe when a new person comes to your church you could give them a class explaining all the different branches of Christianity and their main beliefs. Or at least a directory of other churches (including the gay ones), mosques, and a reading list for them to educate themselves.

    Maybe when you are discussing issues you could consider a whole range of opinions and debate their pros and cons, rather that the oppositional and insulting way you argue on this blog – which I’m sure is not the way you behave in church or at home.

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  7. My last post was mainly intended for Greg, and for the Copeland/Trump thread.

    But looking at Wazza’s post – it really fits.
    It’s staggering that so many people become involved in organizations and just believe things blindly – from tithing to sexual morality, and only think about (or get “deprogrammed?””) by blogs years later.

    The school system obviously doesn’t teach critical thinking. Which now should be obvious when you see the kinds of people teaching in schools.

    If only people read more and thought more they’d realize there are alternatives to full-blown Pentecostalism, anything goes theology and Calvinism.

    Extremism is alive and well.


  8. Lance, I’ve really enjoyed your commentary on this site and on signposts. It was on that site that my deprogramming process began and your combination of accurate reportage, analysis and humor was a big part of that.

    Sorry to hear about your redundancy, I have been through a few redundancies myself and it isn’t always straightforward. Hope you find something worthwhile to do. I hope you get that piece of writing out because you are a talented writer.

    Sites like this and signposts1/2 have made it more difficult for people to preach utter crap, because it all gets commented on in the blogs. There have been less stories from the West on crazy pentecostals and evangelicals. That can only be a good thing. The bondage that people were put under because they could not believe X, were not tithing, were not conventionally successful, did not have conventional sexuality, has been lifted for a lot of people.

    Thanks again, and let us know what you move on to.

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  9. Some of you are clearly mentally unwell.
    So I’ll give you a free counseling session, after which you will understand yourselves better. And I’ll finish with some good advice.

    Here is the problem with many of you ex-charismatics/evangelicals.

    (Based on decades of observation and reading)

    1. You joined a church without any knowledge or research.

    – you joined churches as kids or teenagers when you didn’t know about life, theology, church history, psychology etc.
    -or you joined because of a crisis (drugs, alcohol, depression, loneliness, divorce, sexual identity conflicts, sexual guilt, financial problems etc)

    2. In the beginning you thought you’d found the answer. You felt loved, part of a group, and thought your group and leaders had the answers and could change the world.

    3. Somewhere thereafter you had another crisis. Prayers weren’t answered or you had a fight or felt rejected by a leader or someone in the group.
    Then as the relationship worsened , and you argued more , you gathered more and more evidence and justification for your differences and disagreements.

    4. After leaving you are obsessed with demonizing the group.

    You’ll notice that most of you end up vehement obnoxious atheists / super liberal theology adherents, or hyper Calvinists.

    I’ll give an example.

    Sally joins the youth group of C3. She thinks it’s great – it’s her world ! But she never joined because after studying comparative religions or the various doctrines of the Holy Spirit she rationally decided Pringle was the most correct.

    Things are great. But then something happens. She doesn’t get picked on the worship team or she falls in love with a bin-church goer, or she has marriage problems etc.
    she falls out with the leader.
    Then the battle begins.

    She is accused of having a bad attitude or whatever.

    After weeks months, years or studying ….,
    She now has all the ammunition against her former pastor .

    So now she’s a raving Calvinist who spends all her days attacking everyone who isn’t Calvinist.

    So after years of ignorance these uneducated ignorant evangelicals are exposed to evolution, or atheism, or Calvinism or humanism.

    They’ve just swung from one to the other.

    So you end up like a sad Bones or Greg who will ignore thousands of terrorist acts in order to obsess over something a minister did wrong in Utah 5 years ago.

    Or like the Calvinists church watchers they’ll write article after article about how bad Amanda wells (whoever heard of her????)!!!) didn’t write a big enough apology for copying something onto her blog that nobody reads from someone else who nobody has ever heard of.

    It’s mental.

    Or you just become manic copy and plasters of anti-trump material,

    Quick solution.

    1. Get a life
    2. Realize no person or group is perfect
    3. Read both sides – left and right.
    4. Think for yourself and have some original thought after researching both sides of arguments

    You don’t need a guru.

    It’s just not true thAt most church leaders are amoral. and evil and incompetent
    Or if they are – the same could be said for all teachers , all Muslims , all blog commenters.

    Have a good day.
    Enjoy life.


  10. Explorer,
    I was being serious.
    Blows to the head aren’t funny.

    I know people who had trouble for years after an accident.
    My comment to Lance wasn’t a put down.
    For you to think that shows you don’t know me.

    If you knew me in real life and how I’ve spent my life you’d know I don’t have to prove my empathy levels.

    Lance was beaten. He said he’s had trouble to some degree with mental work.

    I think a follow up examination would be a good idea.,

    I would be completely ok with a ban on boxing for this reason.

    Lance – while I disagree with his theology , is obviously clever and is also one of the few people in the planet who doesn’t moderate comments and so has my respect.

    In case anyone else thought I was being sarcastic, I’ll repeat again. I think after a physical trauma – whether a fall, car accident, or especially direct punches to the head, periodic checkups are a good idea.

    Read up on brain research.

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  11. Lance, have you had a brain scan?
    Not trying to be nasty – seriously, if you’ve had knocks to the head it’s a good idea to get thoroughly checked out.


  12. That drunk guy was pathetic. Sad. Feel for his mother and future kids.
    Another obese foul-mouthed white guy who thinks he’s clever but just ends up making a complete fool of himself.
    But …. he’d probably make an excellent candidate for Anglican priest in Australia.
    He can join the rush to be an incompetent, amoral leader of a church in its own world. Watch out Greg, the competition is getting tougher….
    Maybe Bones could take over a parish too!


  13. Lance – I first encountered you nearly 12 years ago as an angry ranter on philbaker.net. I thought that you were hurt, angry – and at that point you did find it hard to articulate your concerns.

    I remember testing your assertions and much to my own shock and dislike I found that some of the things you were concerned about were actually valid. This was about the same time as the SMH published “The Lord’s Profit’s” and BRW published “God’s Millionaires”. My own world was rocked and I woke up to the spiritual abuses of Christians in megachurches (particularly of Word-of-Faith), the excesses and tax-lax of the ‘Pastor-owners’, the dodgy-theology behind how Tithing was taught and promoted, the auto-cratic governance structure that places the pastor in ultimate-control and protects the family interests, the Brand protection, the public relations machine that placed Brand above people, Truth a and Integrity.

    It was your persistence that shook the foundations, brought evil into the light and exposed much of what was wrong. In many ways you were the first incarnation of ‘Wiki-Leaks’ with much of what was learned was from insiders.

    I have learned in recent times that not all AoG | Contemporary Churches are as bad as those high profile mega churches under the cohort of Senior Pastors of almost a decade ago.

    And some Churches have grown, matured and changed their ways. This is in may ways because of the information that you helped make available on the web – and like in the case of Luther posting his 95 Thesis to the Church Door, it has had to some degree a reforming impact.

    I cannot agree with your position on all matters theological – we have to agree to disagree on your position on homosexuality. This does not matter – I respect you and all you have done.

    Mate, do not throw the baby out with the bath water – the Church is flawed, but it is the best thing we have on this planet. It is the only thing that can hold and disseminate the gospel. I do hope that you do find saving faith again.

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  14. Mayhaps I will revive Signposts02 – i will not be a repeat of it’s former self or a reflection of this one. What do people think? Is it time to plug it back into the power source?


  15. I’ve been an avid reader since 2006 when I discovered signposts in my quest to learn more about the emergent church.

    signposts02 died in 2015. groupsects will soon be dead.

    What other sites are similar to signposts02 and groupsects that I should be following?

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