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Questioning Hill$ong for dummies

In Uncategorized on November 10, 2009 at 1:42 am

The Thinking Theologian blogs…

“It’s possible for a person to be a member of a church like Hillsong for years, and have deep concerns about its doctrine and practices which are never properly addressed. After a while, the tendency is to accept things as “just the way it is”, and hold on to some vague hope that, in time, things might improve.

But how will things improve? If something is never recognised as being a problem, time and effort will never be put in to changing it (“if it aint broke, don’t fix it”). For something to be recognised as a problem, those in positions of power must be made to pay attention.

The challenge for the earnest Christian then, is to voice their concerns to the right people, and in such a way that the underlying issues can not be ignored. So I’ve put together a few thoughts on how to navigate through the false walls and mirrors that are the maze of Hillsong’s rhetoric and spin, so that the concerned Hillsonger might have half a chance of having their questions heard.

Rather than address each and every issue, I will deal in general terms with the common problems that someone questioning Hillsong is likely to come up against. Hillsong spokesmen approach sceptics in much the same way, and I suspect their tactics are common to most other cult-like organisations. By being wise to their devices, I hope you’re able to survive them.

1. Damage Control
When a person first questions an element of Hillsong, whether it be their “open book policy”, or some dodgy doctrine, the first response is invariably damage control. You see the problem is not really with Hillsong, they’ll say, but with your perceptions of it. In the nicest possible way, it’ll be suggested that you’ve been listening to negativity, and should check your attitude. If you persist, the responses will gradually become less and less ‘pastoral’ as they move away from their defensive stance, toward an offensive one.

2. Personal Contact
Usually, a leader who is closest to the dissenter will be dispatched to smooth things over. This might be a youth pastor if you’re under 25, or the leader of the team in which you serve on a weekend. If you’re on staff, it’ll be your department head, or oversight. But the strategy is always the same: a friendly face.
By trying to make your concern a person-to-person disagreement, the hope is that you’ll fold, in favour of maintaining brotherly unity.

3. The Personal Contact Taking it Personally
If the usual rhetoric and spin doesn’t wash, your contact (whether it’s still the ‘friendly face’, or a ring-in tag-teamer) will feel personally wounded by your “attack” on Hillsong. This is probably a legitimate response in most cases. After all, for you to insist that something is wrong, the fact they believe everything’s fine means that you’re suggesting they, too, are wrong. The hope at this stage of course, is that by appearing hurt and saddened by your behaviour toward them, you’ll admit that perhaps you have been a bit harsh, and maybe its just all been a big misunderstanding. Nonsense. The important thing to remember is that your concerns are not personal, but relate to systemic problems of a far more pressing kind.

4. The Stone Wall
If your argument is sound, and leads to the logical conclusion that Hillsong is flawed, what happens next is a little discouraging, and quite anti-climatic: you’re stone walled. You’ll simply be ignored. Suddenly your friendly faced contact is swamped with work and can’t spare even a moment; your phone calls are never returned; people you thought were your friends won’t look you in the eye, and walk past you as if you don’t even exist. This, fellow-dissenters, is when Hillsong proponents show their true colours. “If you don’t toe the party line, you’re not one of us”, is the message sent loud and clear.

This is the point where I suspect most dissenters either leave Hillsong altogether, or admit defeat and convince themselves they were wrong, and everything’s alright really. I would really suggest the former: leave, and never look back.

You see, what matters to people who want to get ahead at Hillsong, isn’t Christ’s love, or even the salvation of souls. It’s “building the church”. And to build it, you’ve got to believe in it… and believing means giving your life to it. Once they have your heart, your mind will not be far behind.

But with any luck, you won’t reach the stone wall. If you insist that your concerns be taken seriously, and don’t cave-in at their tried and tested tactics, you may yet stave the terminal write-off.

But remember that the issues at Hillsong are not down to petty differences of opinion, or mere methodological disagreements; they are fundamental problems of Christian doctrine and practice. There is far more at stake that one person’s ostracization from the ‘Hillsong club’. In the grand scheme of things, what does it really matter if you have to find yourself another church? Surely of more importance is Christ’s bride who, thanks to the likes of Hillsong, is far from blemish-free, and covered with spot and wrinkle.

If each and every member of Hillsong who has a legitimate concern (and there are more than you might think), were to pluck up the courage to speak up, I believe there would be cause for hope; and hope for positive change.”

From http://tttdiscussionforum.blogspot.com/2009/08/hillsong-heretics-dissenters-guide.html

Basil Faulty

In Uncategorized on November 10, 2009 at 1:25 am

The Star reports…

“A number of parents are stuck in a desperate battle with a church in Durban’s upmarket suburbs that they accuse of “stealing” and brainwashing their teens.

Calling Grace Gospel Church in Pinetown a “mind-controlling” Christian cult, the parents claim girls have been married to men they hardly know, chosen for them by the church.

The church is a branch of Church Team Ministries International (CTMI), an international Christian group with head offices in Mauritius.

The group’s leader, Basil O’Connell-Jones, was sent to Durban from another CTMI branch, Selborne Park Christian Church in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe, in 2003.

He is well known in charismatic Christian circles for his autobiography Amazing Grace, which details his time as a soldier in the then Rhodesian army and his near-death experience of being shot in the head and then overcoming the injury.

Now O’Connell-Jones is accused of ministering to many young people, aged between 18 and 30, and encouraging them to abandon their tertiary studies and careers and leave their families to live with him in his Hillcrest home or in other church leaders’ homes.

CTMI is led by founder and televangelist Miki Hardy, who is said to live in luxury in Mauritius. The group is alleged to encourage its members to leave their home countries and go to the island to help build the Mauritian church and “serve the Lord”.

Parents who have lost children to the group have formed the Concerned Parents Group, to fight the church.

They tell of how, when pastors initially approached the Grace Gospel Church with their concerns, including the church’s aggressive recruitment of children from their churches, they were called “pathetic Pharisees”, jealous of the church’s secret doctrine, which no other church apparently has.

CTMI is considering suing the parent group for defamation, for calling it a cult and for accusing it of kidnapping children.

But the parents are undeterred. They believe that any court case would lift the lid on the church’s activities.

Keith Brown, who was part of a team of members from other churches at a meeting with GGC leaders, says a CTMI leader bluntly told them: “Jesus did not come to bring peace in families but a sword”.

Brown says his eldest son Stuart (then 27) was diagnosed with cancer in 2006 and died in a hospice after being cared for in church leaders’ homes because the leaders “felt uncomfortable visiting Stuart in our home”.

Steve and Heather Goddard, of Kloof, say their daughter, who they did not wish to name, has been a member of the church for almost three years and started avoiding her other Christian friends “in favour of members of Grace Gospel”.

Anthony and Romaine Chaplin, of Durban North, say their son had been a top pupil at Kearsney College before going to study at the University of Cape Town.

Last April, he abandoned his studies to go to Mauritius.

The parents have now set up a website – www.ctmi concernedparents.com – with stories about their children and links to websites about dangerous cults and the characteristics of cults.

“This church has brainwashed our children. They are encouraged to reject their biological families and their studies and will more than likely be pushed into an arranged marriage,” says one of parents.

But O’Connell-Jones’s daughter Kara-Jane and her husband Richard Seynisch have defended the church, saying they are like any other young person in their age group.

“My life started and ended with drinking, clubbing, fornication and all other ‘youthful lusts’ that surrounded me,” she says. “Then, during my first three weeks in Mauritius, I was bowled over by the light, the joy and the freedom that was so evidently oozing out of the people in the church.”

But Melany Wood, 21, who attended a youth camp in Mauritius at the end of 2007, says: “People there are blinded. They are so struck by this church that they cannot see reality.”

Another girl, 22, who wished to remain anonymous left the church in high school after she had questioned the teaching.

“I’ve seen my good friends, girls of 18 and 19, give up their dreams because the church labelled them ‘worldly’ and ‘of the flesh’. They’ve had their lives mapped out for them, and some of them have been married off to men who were chosen for them by the church – guys they hardly know.”

Leaders of the GGC did not wish to respond to the allegations. “CTMI is a non-denominational missionary organisation with thousands of members across 25 different countries. We do not wish to be involved in the dispute between four families and their relationships with their children, all of whom are major citizens.

“We have chosen therefore not to reply to any allegations against us and to leave it to the young adults themselves to address the issue, as they are the ones who are directly concerned,” they said in an official statement to the Saturday Star.”

From http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=139&art_id=vn20091107072434816C446171

Christian Demogogic Party

In Uncategorized on November 9, 2009 at 4:56 pm

The Australian reports…

“Fred Nile’s Christian Democratic Party plans to run an emotive anti-Muslim, anti-carbon trading campaign in the by-election for the northern Sydney seat of Bradfield.

And in a case of “onward Christian soldiers”, the CDP has decided to stand no fewer than 11 candidates in the federal seat.

In what is a blue-ribbon conservative stronghold, the CDP is hoping to capitalise on unease among some Liberals with federal party leader Malcolm Turnbull’s willingness to negotiate an emissions trading scheme with the Rudd Labor government.

The party’s propaganda for the December 5 by-election, which has been provided in advance to The Australian, declares “Enough!” and urges Australians to “Stand your ground in defence of Christian values”.

It uses a selection of alternating slogans, including, “Ten-year moratorium on Muslim immigration”, “No nukes for Iran — we must defend Israel” and “No carbon tax — stop the ETS”.

“The CDP is opposed to racism and we have people of all races on our team,” he said.

“But Muslim is not a race. It’s a religious and political ideology.”

While Mr Nile agreed the anti-Muslim, anti-ETS campaign would alienate the majority of voters in a “trendy” electorate such as Bradfield, he claimed: “There are at least 10 per cent who would agree with those policies, maybe more.”

But the Greens candidate for Bradfield, Susie Gemmell, condemned the CDP strategy and said: “Directing hatred towards people of any religious faith is totally unacceptable.”

Liberal candidate Paul Fletcher, who is expected to win Bradfield easily, declined to comment on the anti-Muslim campaign, but said: “Local residents don’t want a rushed and poorly planned ETS which just turns out to be another tax.”

Mr Nile has been a leading campaigner against a proposed 1200-student Muslim school at Camden, in outer southwest Sydney.

He said the unprecedented strategy of standing 11 candidates against each other in Bradfield was designed to increase the CDP’s overall vote — by allowing the candidates to focus their efforts on different areas within the electorate — and to raise the party’s profile by having its name appear so many times on the ballot paper.

Mr Nile said the federal Opposition Leader’s position on climate change would help the CDP’s cause.

“He’s not a very strong leader and he’s taken this approach as the path of least resistance,” he said.

At the 2007 election, the CDP scored 1.74 per cent of the vote in Bradfield, the Greens 11.26 per cent.

Labor is not contesting the by-election, which was triggered by the resignation last month of former federal Liberal leader Brendan Nelson….”

From http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/fred-nile-raises-crusade-in-by-election/story-e6frg6nf-1225794863587